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		<title>By: theman</title>
		<link>http://orbitz-sucks.com/2010/02/19/orbitz-ruined-our-1-night-in-paris/#comment-8387</link>
		<author>theman</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 May 2010 09:13:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To people like RexWood and Orbitz,

Look, idiot(s), it has nothing to do with being a cry baby or looking for someone / something to complain about.


It has to do with getting what you paid for. If I book a hotel, and my confirmation statement says, in fact, that I am paying for that specific hotel, then that's it. I paid $xxx for that hotel, and that's all it should be. All of the other red tape, fine-print, bullcrap isn't relevant when one deals with a reputable, honest, and service-driven company.

It's very clear Orbitz is not reputable, Orbitz is not honest, Orbitz is not service-driven, and the fact that a person pays for one thing and then gets another proves, without a doubt, Orbitz lies and scams.

Again, it has nothing to do with your nonsense accusations, which, quite frankly, do more to hurt the situation than help. It has everything to do with the fact that if someone does not get what they paid for, then it's illegal - That's it.

I don't need a law degree to know that...it's common damn sense, unless you are RexWood.

And to people like Bruce, who say many of these situations are not the fault of Orbitz: There's a little something called the "Tough-Shit Rule" that comes with being in this type of business.

People use Orbitz or any of these services for a number of reasons, the most prevalent being:

1. Convenience
2. Price
3. They are experts, presumably, where the consumer is not. (travel, dealing with airlines, hotels, etc.)

When they fail to deliver, in effect, all three, then there is a huge problem. I don't care whose fault it is when hotels switch someone around, or airlines cancel flights at the last minute, or anything like that. It simply shouldn't matter if they are dealing with a proper company, which Orbitz is not.

The Tough Shit Rule means essentially this: If something like that happens, if you don't get what you paid for, if your flight gets canceled days before you am supposed to leave, etc., then Orbitz should either:

A. Work with the customer to find a solution as close to, i f not exactly, what the customer wants as possible regarding time, location, etc. and that costs the customer no more than their original booking.

or

B. Offer a full refund with no arguments, no paperwork...nothing. You ask for the refund, and you get it - that's it.

or

C. Offer sufficient compensation for the situation in the form of a partial refund - not Orbitz credit or something like that - to the customer. So if that lady's hotel moved her to a different one - even if the different one is amazing - then she gets a refund for every night she did not stay in the original hotel. 

It doesn't matter if it is Orbitz's fault or not, here's why this is the way it should be:

A. The original booking is initiated because a customer uses Orbitz to browse all possible bookings, select what works for them, and then they pay Orbitz to give them the price they selected on each service / item, negotiate that with the airline, hotel, etc., and then deliver that booking to the consumer.

B. The customer initiates Orbitz, therefore Orbitz, not the customer, is the one who directly acts as the party who books everything.

C. It is the job of whoever books everything directly to make sure they get what they paid for. Why would it be the job of someone else?

D. The customer directly employed Orbitz - as evidenced by Orbitz's fee to use the service - to be the middle-man / direct booking body.

E. If the airline, hotel, etc. fails to deliver what was finalized upon payment for the original deal, then that is between the person / body who worked directly with them to book the trip - which would be Orbitz. It is the job of the customer to make sure Orbitz gives them what they paid for, and it is the job of Orbitz to make sure the airline, hotel, etc. gives them what they (Orbitz) directly booked.
It is not the job of the customer to all of a sudden step in as the direct booking party and fix the situation, because that is what Orbitz is being paid to do. If they don't do it, then why in the world does the customer need them to exist to begin with?

It's not as though a pizza restaurant can charge you an extra $5 for a pizza you ordered just because they had to buy more ingredients from the grocery store, and the only ones available were really expensive. It is the job of the restaurant to worry about the price of ingredients, and then set the price for the customer. The customer should not have to worry about the price of the ingredients. All the customer needs to know is the price given by the restaurant originally, and the pizza they ordered. Everything else is the restaurant's job. If the customer had to worry about the ingredients, the price of those ingredients, and what to do if the original order doesn't turn out, then why wouldn't they just make the damn pizza themselves? Why should they have to pay something for essentially nothing?


Conclusion: In that same way, why should a customer have to pay for Orbitz's faults, shortcomings, mis-negotiations, and fallen-through deals? 

The answer is, plain and simple, they shouldn't.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To people like RexWood and Orbitz,</p>
<p>Look, idiot(s), it has nothing to do with being a cry baby or looking for someone / something to complain about.</p>
<p>It has to do with getting what you paid for. If I book a hotel, and my confirmation statement says, in fact, that I am paying for that specific hotel, then that&#8217;s it. I paid $xxx for that hotel, and that&#8217;s all it should be. All of the other red tape, fine-print, bullcrap isn&#8217;t relevant when one deals with a reputable, honest, and service-driven company.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s very clear Orbitz is not reputable, Orbitz is not honest, Orbitz is not service-driven, and the fact that a person pays for one thing and then gets another proves, without a doubt, Orbitz lies and scams.</p>
<p>Again, it has nothing to do with your nonsense accusations, which, quite frankly, do more to hurt the situation than help. It has everything to do with the fact that if someone does not get what they paid for, then it&#8217;s illegal - That&#8217;s it.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t need a law degree to know that&#8230;it&#8217;s common damn sense, unless you are RexWood.</p>
<p>And to people like Bruce, who say many of these situations are not the fault of Orbitz: There&#8217;s a little something called the &#8220;Tough-Shit Rule&#8221; that comes with being in this type of business.</p>
<p>People use Orbitz or any of these services for a number of reasons, the most prevalent being:</p>
<p>1. Convenience<br />
2. Price<br />
3. They are experts, presumably, where the consumer is not. (travel, dealing with airlines, hotels, etc.)</p>
<p>When they fail to deliver, in effect, all three, then there is a huge problem. I don&#8217;t care whose fault it is when hotels switch someone around, or airlines cancel flights at the last minute, or anything like that. It simply shouldn&#8217;t matter if they are dealing with a proper company, which Orbitz is not.</p>
<p>The Tough Shit Rule means essentially this: If something like that happens, if you don&#8217;t get what you paid for, if your flight gets canceled days before you am supposed to leave, etc., then Orbitz should either:</p>
<p>A. Work with the customer to find a solution as close to, i f not exactly, what the customer wants as possible regarding time, location, etc. and that costs the customer no more than their original booking.</p>
<p>or</p>
<p>B. Offer a full refund with no arguments, no paperwork&#8230;nothing. You ask for the refund, and you get it - that&#8217;s it.</p>
<p>or</p>
<p>C. Offer sufficient compensation for the situation in the form of a partial refund - not Orbitz credit or something like that - to the customer. So if that lady&#8217;s hotel moved her to a different one - even if the different one is amazing - then she gets a refund for every night she did not stay in the original hotel. </p>
<p>It doesn&#8217;t matter if it is Orbitz&#8217;s fault or not, here&#8217;s why this is the way it should be:</p>
<p>A. The original booking is initiated because a customer uses Orbitz to browse all possible bookings, select what works for them, and then they pay Orbitz to give them the price they selected on each service / item, negotiate that with the airline, hotel, etc., and then deliver that booking to the consumer.</p>
<p>B. The customer initiates Orbitz, therefore Orbitz, not the customer, is the one who directly acts as the party who books everything.</p>
<p>C. It is the job of whoever books everything directly to make sure they get what they paid for. Why would it be the job of someone else?</p>
<p>D. The customer directly employed Orbitz - as evidenced by Orbitz&#8217;s fee to use the service - to be the middle-man / direct booking body.</p>
<p>E. If the airline, hotel, etc. fails to deliver what was finalized upon payment for the original deal, then that is between the person / body who worked directly with them to book the trip - which would be Orbitz. It is the job of the customer to make sure Orbitz gives them what they paid for, and it is the job of Orbitz to make sure the airline, hotel, etc. gives them what they (Orbitz) directly booked.<br />
It is not the job of the customer to all of a sudden step in as the direct booking party and fix the situation, because that is what Orbitz is being paid to do. If they don&#8217;t do it, then why in the world does the customer need them to exist to begin with?</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not as though a pizza restaurant can charge you an extra $5 for a pizza you ordered just because they had to buy more ingredients from the grocery store, and the only ones available were really expensive. It is the job of the restaurant to worry about the price of ingredients, and then set the price for the customer. The customer should not have to worry about the price of the ingredients. All the customer needs to know is the price given by the restaurant originally, and the pizza they ordered. Everything else is the restaurant&#8217;s job. If the customer had to worry about the ingredients, the price of those ingredients, and what to do if the original order doesn&#8217;t turn out, then why wouldn&#8217;t they just make the damn pizza themselves? Why should they have to pay something for essentially nothing?</p>
<p>Conclusion: In that same way, why should a customer have to pay for Orbitz&#8217;s faults, shortcomings, mis-negotiations, and fallen-through deals? </p>
<p>The answer is, plain and simple, they shouldn&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: Shelly Coffman</title>
		<link>http://orbitz-sucks.com/2010/02/19/orbitz-ruined-our-1-night-in-paris/#comment-8308</link>
		<author>Shelly Coffman</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 May 2010 20:07:22 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://orbitz-sucks.com/2010/02/19/orbitz-ruined-our-1-night-in-paris/#comment-8308</guid>
		<description>I am an investigator with the law firm of David P. Meyer &#38; Associates. We are investigating a potential case against a major online travel site regarding alleged charges to consumers for travel insurance without their full knowledge. If you would be willing to assist in our investigation or would like more information about this case, please call me at 1-866-827-6537.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am an investigator with the law firm of David P. Meyer &amp; Associates. We are investigating a potential case against a major online travel site regarding alleged charges to consumers for travel insurance without their full knowledge. If you would be willing to assist in our investigation or would like more information about this case, please call me at 1-866-827-6537.</p>
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		<title>By: JK</title>
		<link>http://orbitz-sucks.com/2010/02/19/orbitz-ruined-our-1-night-in-paris/#comment-8145</link>
		<author>JK</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Apr 2010 03:55:29 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://orbitz-sucks.com/2010/02/19/orbitz-ruined-our-1-night-in-paris/#comment-8145</guid>
		<description>People who think it's unreasonable to spend 1 night in Paris clearly have never been on a business trip where you get to kill the weekend.  And thinking about soldiers and customer service in the same context?  Are you an f---ing retard?  Instead of bringing pride to these men and women, you just insulted them by bringing them up in the same context.  You should be ashamed of yourself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People who think it&#8217;s unreasonable to spend 1 night in Paris clearly have never been on a business trip where you get to kill the weekend.  And thinking about soldiers and customer service in the same context?  Are you an f&#8212;ing retard?  Instead of bringing pride to these men and women, you just insulted them by bringing them up in the same context.  You should be ashamed of yourself.</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce</title>
		<link>http://orbitz-sucks.com/2010/02/19/orbitz-ruined-our-1-night-in-paris/#comment-8138</link>
		<author>Bruce</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Apr 2010 21:38:38 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://orbitz-sucks.com/2010/02/19/orbitz-ruined-our-1-night-in-paris/#comment-8138</guid>
		<description>RexWood is pretty right (and I'm not a plant for orbitz; in fact I doubt I'll ever use them). It's a bummer to be "walked" (that's the industry term for what happened) by a hotel, but it happens, it's probably not Orbitz's fault, it may not even be the hotel's fault (it's probably because a guest refused to check out or they had a mechanical problem), and when you say it "ruined your night" you lose whatever credibility you hadn't already lost by saying you were spending just 1 night in Paris. It is an industry standard that you should get that night free, and Orbitz was wrong if they didn't do that, but given the irrationality in the rest of your post, I've got to wonder what really happened when you talked to them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RexWood is pretty right (and I&#8217;m not a plant for orbitz; in fact I doubt I&#8217;ll ever use them). It&#8217;s a bummer to be &#8220;walked&#8221; (that&#8217;s the industry term for what happened) by a hotel, but it happens, it&#8217;s probably not Orbitz&#8217;s fault, it may not even be the hotel&#8217;s fault (it&#8217;s probably because a guest refused to check out or they had a mechanical problem), and when you say it &#8220;ruined your night&#8221; you lose whatever credibility you hadn&#8217;t already lost by saying you were spending just 1 night in Paris. It is an industry standard that you should get that night free, and Orbitz was wrong if they didn&#8217;t do that, but given the irrationality in the rest of your post, I&#8217;ve got to wonder what really happened when you talked to them.</p>
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		<title>By: noah smith</title>
		<link>http://orbitz-sucks.com/2010/02/19/orbitz-ruined-our-1-night-in-paris/#comment-7750</link>
		<author>noah smith</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 04:17:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sounds like rexwood is a plant for orbitz.
If he is so conserned about the third world countries, don't let the door hit you in the backside!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sounds like rexwood is a plant for orbitz.<br />
If he is so conserned about the third world countries, don&#8217;t let the door hit you in the backside!</p>
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		<title>By: RexWood</title>
		<link>http://orbitz-sucks.com/2010/02/19/orbitz-ruined-our-1-night-in-paris/#comment-7695</link>
		<author>RexWood</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Mar 2010 21:45:52 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://orbitz-sucks.com/2010/02/19/orbitz-ruined-our-1-night-in-paris/#comment-7695</guid>
		<description>Stupid Customers Suck More Than Orbitz...

I too just took some time to read through many of the posts here at this site…what a bunch of cry babies who need their frickin’ diapers changed. Example: “…My boyfrind and I had just one night in Paris and Big Bad Orbitz screwed up our whole trip…” Give me a break - and we’re supposed to feel sorry for you because you were a spoiled little Mommy’s Girl cheerleader who had to deal with a changed hotel which was … oh my god, wait for it … down the street from where you originally booked, and, … oh my god, wait for it again … the bathtub was clogged up? Do you have any idea what thousands and thousands of our soldiers have to deal with on a day to day basis in the Mid-East? And your complaining about a ‘clogged bathtub, in Paris?” And another thing…who books a trip for just one night in Paris? That alone starts the ringing of the ‘Moron Bell’ for me. Can’t you just picture the woman who writes to complain about this Orbitz Nightmare? When she was a little girl and fell down outside and scraped her knee, she ran in the house crying and Mommy made it all better and gave her cookies and milk. It’s people like this that should be forced to live in a 3rd world country for a year. Then we’ll see if they complain about a clogged up bathtub…</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stupid Customers Suck More Than Orbitz&#8230;</p>
<p>I too just took some time to read through many of the posts here at this site…what a bunch of cry babies who need their frickin’ diapers changed. Example: “…My boyfrind and I had just one night in Paris and Big Bad Orbitz screwed up our whole trip…” Give me a break - and we’re supposed to feel sorry for you because you were a spoiled little Mommy’s Girl cheerleader who had to deal with a changed hotel which was … oh my god, wait for it … down the street from where you originally booked, and, … oh my god, wait for it again … the bathtub was clogged up? Do you have any idea what thousands and thousands of our soldiers have to deal with on a day to day basis in the Mid-East? And your complaining about a ‘clogged bathtub, in Paris?” And another thing…who books a trip for just one night in Paris? That alone starts the ringing of the ‘Moron Bell’ for me. Can’t you just picture the woman who writes to complain about this Orbitz Nightmare? When she was a little girl and fell down outside and scraped her knee, she ran in the house crying and Mommy made it all better and gave her cookies and milk. It’s people like this that should be forced to live in a 3rd world country for a year. Then we’ll see if they complain about a clogged up bathtub…</p>
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		<title>By: noah smith</title>
		<link>http://orbitz-sucks.com/2010/02/19/orbitz-ruined-our-1-night-in-paris/#comment-7666</link>
		<author>noah smith</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Mar 2010 02:02:41 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://orbitz-sucks.com/2010/02/19/orbitz-ruined-our-1-night-in-paris/#comment-7666</guid>
		<description>I booked 2 flights to Panama city Panama on 12-3-09 and on 1-11-10 orbitz contacted me notifying me that the flight was canselled and i would be getting a full refund in 2 weeks. Well the 2 weeks went by and no refund so i contacted orbitz and was told 1 more ween and that went by and i called again and was told the refund would defenately be done in a total of 45 days. Well it has been a total of 53 days and still no refund.I have probably spent about 10 hours dealing with this mess and they still have my $1,360.00! 
I have been told by copa air that orbitz would be responsible for the refund even though my statement says copa was the one that billed me. And orbitz has told me that copa was processing the refund and it would be soon. Copa says that they told orbitz that copa was not responsible for the refund and orbitz is still saying that copa is going to pay.
Today i looked on my card statement and saw a non orbitz ph # by the orbitz charge and it turned out to be cheap tickets. I called it and they ran me through a maze and then said copa air was closed and to call back tomorrow.
What i will do is to call my card co on monday and dispute the charge and AVOID THESE SCUMBAG BOOKING SITES LIKE THE PLAIGE AND SWINE FLU COMBINED !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I booked 2 flights to Panama city Panama on 12-3-09 and on 1-11-10 orbitz contacted me notifying me that the flight was canselled and i would be getting a full refund in 2 weeks. Well the 2 weeks went by and no refund so i contacted orbitz and was told 1 more ween and that went by and i called again and was told the refund would defenately be done in a total of 45 days. Well it has been a total of 53 days and still no refund.I have probably spent about 10 hours dealing with this mess and they still have my $1,360.00!<br />
I have been told by copa air that orbitz would be responsible for the refund even though my statement says copa was the one that billed me. And orbitz has told me that copa was processing the refund and it would be soon. Copa says that they told orbitz that copa was not responsible for the refund and orbitz is still saying that copa is going to pay.<br />
Today i looked on my card statement and saw a non orbitz ph # by the orbitz charge and it turned out to be cheap tickets. I called it and they ran me through a maze and then said copa air was closed and to call back tomorrow.<br />
What i will do is to call my card co on monday and dispute the charge and AVOID THESE SCUMBAG BOOKING SITES LIKE THE PLAIGE AND SWINE FLU COMBINED !</p>
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		<title>By: custrelgal</title>
		<link>http://orbitz-sucks.com/2010/02/19/orbitz-ruined-our-1-night-in-paris/#comment-7440</link>
		<author>custrelgal</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Feb 2010 17:06:07 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://orbitz-sucks.com/2010/02/19/orbitz-ruined-our-1-night-in-paris/#comment-7440</guid>
		<description>Hi. I work for Orbitz Customer Relations and we would be interested in reviewing this matter with you. If you could please provide your Orbitz Record Locator for this reservation, we will research and get in touch with you. Thank you, Orbitz Customer Relations</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi. I work for Orbitz Customer Relations and we would be interested in reviewing this matter with you. If you could please provide your Orbitz Record Locator for this reservation, we will research and get in touch with you. Thank you, Orbitz Customer Relations</p>
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